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Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

cenydd owain (View posts)
Posted: 1035660903000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah, Morgan
Hello,
I wonder if any relations to the Jeremiah family have a old story like my family that the family surname used to be Morgan. I have been told that a Jeremiah Morgan was in trouble with the law and changed his name to Morgan Jeremiah. As I have all ready traced my family back to 1745 I would think that this event took place before that date. I have found one other reference to this event. Please anyone with any info leave a message. thank you.

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Lois J. Woods (View posts)
Posted: 1036886284000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah, Morgan
We have a family legend that our ancestor John Jeremiah Morgan was before 1851, John Jeremiah. He was supposedly the longest lived survivor of the battle of Waterloo. He did indeed participate in the battle, joined when he was 19. Some time later he was in Ireland with the 23rd Foot---Royal Wech Fusiliers, fell in love with an Irish lass. Her uncle (father, guardian or ?) was so angry that he cut off all of her hair. John was going to kill him. The girl said that she would run away and marry him if he left the ? relative alone. They appear later in Goytre with their first son of 10 children born in 1823. I later descovered that John was born two years before his dad, John Jeremiah Junior and his mother Mary Morgan were married.
On his daughter Rachel's marriage certificate he and his daughter have the last name of Morgan.
Does any of that sound similar to your situation?

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

cenydd owain (View posts)
Posted: 1037390822000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah
Thanks for your reply,
Your story was very interesting, my ancestors came from Goytre and all of the Jeremiahs who were there seem to be related to each other. I have traced my family back to about 1725 on the jeremiah side, I was looking for a morgan jeremiah pre 1725. Funny you should say about the battle of waterloo because Thomas Jeremiah who was my great great great great uncle fought in the battle and has left a diary in the national library of wales with details of his early life and joining the Royal welch fusilliers on the 27 nov 1812 and the battle of waterloo in 1815. I wonder if your John was maybe a relation to thomas jeremiahs family. There does seem to be many John Jeremiahs around in Goytre.

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Neil Carey (View posts)
Posted: 1145567696000
Classification: Query
Hi
I’ve only just found these two postings (below), from 2002. I hope that your email addresses are still valid.

I am the Great Great Great Grandson of John Jeremiah Morgan, via his daughter Rachel Morgan who married James Carey.

I picked up some info on JJM from a relation in the USA in the late 1980s – this includes:

a photo of JJM late in life – I’ll see if I can e-mail this to you if I get a response
death certificates – JJM is apparently buried in Talywain Churchyard south wales, (just a couple of hundred yards from the house where I was brought up). Clearly having died in 1887 he would have been one of the last survivors of Waterloo, but was certainly not THE last.
some family anecdotes; e.g that his wife Catherine was an Irish catholic and forbidden to marry a protestant, especially an occupying soldier , and that her family shaved her head!

From this I did some more research on his army service.

Basically JJ (before he added the “Morgan”), volunteered out of the local Brecon and Monmouthshire militia into the Royal Welch Fusileers in April 1813, with many of his militia colleagues, for a 7 year term of service 1813-1820. There was a great surge in patriotic volunteering at this time in the Napoleonic Wars. His army records describe him as 5ft 7”, 19 years of age, pale complexion Grey Eyes, Brown hair. He certainly seems to have served in Ireland with the RWF after Waterloo.

I was unable to find much evidence of his relationship with Thomas Jeremiah, but since they volunteered into the same regiment months apart from the same town I concluded they were brothers or similar.

Thomas Jeremiah is described in the records of the 23rd Regiment as:



· having joined aged 17 in Abergavenny in November 1812

· Discharged after 25 years in 1837 in Kilkenny Ireland

· Wounded three times in action. (I think he also served under the Duke of Wellington in Spain before Waterloo),

· Described by his captain as “a steady, sober and well behaved soldier”

· Became Superintendent of Police in Brynmawr South Wales in 12/11/1847

· Injured in his duties in 3/1856

· Then became inspector of weights and measures for Breconshire

· Had 5 children. Died Brynmawr 10/4/1868

I’m fascinated to hear there’s a Thomas Jeremiah Diary in the National Library of Wales and will see what I can do to research it.

This is most of what I have - I hope that it is helpful, and I would certainly hope to know more about JJM from your side.






Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Posted: 1150537974000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah
I do have a copy of Thomas Jeremiah's diary if you want one and also have traced the family back to about 1725, not sure if the John you are talking about is a brother of Thomas, he did have a brother called John but I do not believe he was in the army.

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Lois J. Woods (View posts)
Posted: 1151369465000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah
Dear Cenydd Owain,

I would enjoy reading and studying a copy of Thomas Jeremiah's diary and comparing ancestor research that you have done thus far. I would be glad to reimburse you for your expenses or costs incurred in copying and sending the information. Please send me what you estimate the cost would be.

Sincerely yours,
Lois J. Woods
PO Box 2404
Page, Arizona, USA 86040

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Posted: 1151395237000
Classification: Query
Hi Lois,

I would be happy to send you a copy of the diary, I do not think it will cost much. Maybe I can email it to you.I will have to check it out if possible.I will get back to you as soon as possible.

Cenydd Owain.

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Lois J. Woods (View posts)
Posted: 1151422357000
Classification: Query
Early morning greetings Cenydd,

That would be great! I will wait to hear back from you. Thanks for all your help. These family history puzzles take all the help available to get all the pieces put together.

With my sincere gratitude,
Lois

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Posted: 1165934757000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah, Morgan
Hello All
I have been fascinated to read this thread. I cannot see any obvious connection to my Jeremiah family, also from Goytre/ Llanover, but for years have been puzzled by the fact that my gg grandafther Joseph Jeremiah changed his surname to Joseph Morgan. Was there another scandal on the Jeremiah side causing them to revert to Morgan or did they discover the earlier sleight of hand and decide to revert to their true surname.
The Jereiah/Morgan change seems too much of a coincidence for my family to be unrelated although in our case the change occurred after 1871. My Joseph Jeremiah was the third of seven known children born to Philip Jeremiah and Margaret. According to the 1851 census Philip was born abt 1793 in Goytre although he was then living at Pistillgwyn, Llanover. Thus he would have been a contemporary of John Jeremiah Morgan and Thomas Jeremiah. If anyone can help make connections I would be really pleased to hear from you; this change of name has driven me mad for years.
Kind regards,
Molly

Re: Jeremiahs from Goetre monmouthshire in Wales UK

Posted: 1168732861000
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jeremiah, Morgan, Jerry
Dear Molly,
I am truly baffeled by your Jeremiah changed to Morgan as well. I have been researching this same family branch for over 20 years. I was re-reading the Bishop's Transcripts for Trevethin parish records (film #104919 from the LDS Family History library) this week and realized that in the year 1834 John and Catherine Jeremiah had three children christened; two Rachel(my gg grandmother) & Edward 6 Feb 1834 with the surname of Jeremiah and one son christened 21 July 1834 as Thomas Morgan. The two boys are buried the same year 1834-- both listed as Morgan. The family does appear with the last name of Jerry as well in other records.
I will certainly keep your Phillip and Joseph in mind as I attempt to document all of my Jeremiah connections. I do believe that all of the Jeremiahs in this area are related. Proving it may take a lifetime. Thank you for letting me know that I am not alone in my quest.
Gratefully yours,
Lois
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