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BROTHERS Adriene,Ollie,Ernest, Henry

BROTHERS Adriene,Ollie,Ernest, Henry

Beth (View posts)
Posted: 953719571000
Adriene M: 1st Alma Thomas 2nd?
Henry married Ellen Hardwick. Does anyone have information on these brothers? Their father was Isaac D. LaRoche mother was Lou Edwards.
Thanks
Beth

LaRoche Family in Georgia

Walter LaRoche (View posts)
Posted: 955690707000
I have a little information on the family. Send me an e-mail if you want. I can trace it non-conclusively back to France. Also some interesting links to Scotland. Family is different from that in South Carolina.
My Great-grandfather was Frank Issac LaRoche
who lived in Savannah during the War between the States. His father was either the brother or nephew of Issac Drayton LaRoche -- I do not have my records in front of me.

In any event the Family was a merchant family for many years in Savannah and the Augusta Area. The first LaRoche in the new world was related to two of the signers of the Georgia Charter (1732) and ultimately the family comes from a small province in southwestern France called Béarn -- the Capital is Pau (pronounced poh)-- a Protestant stronghold allied to Navarre.

Protestantism had arrived in France in about 1520 and experienced alternating periods of persecution and tolerance. During the years from 1562 until nearly the end of the century, eight civil wars were waged, nominally for religious reasons. The underlying cause however, was rivalry between competing political interests for the French crown.


The Protestants were eventually led by Henry of Navarre, who became Henry IV, King, the first Bourbon ruler of France, after the assassination of the last Valois King in 1589. Although the new King converted to Catholicism to ease the transition, he granted full Protestant tolerance by the Edict of Nantes in 1598.

Peter Crothaire (derivation of de la Croix), a Huguenot of the Bordeaux region (his parents were béarnais, from the region of Béarn near Navarre), changed his last name to LaRoche (upon marriage?), during his service to the husband of Queen Anne. Béarn was a small semi-independent province, immediately north of the Pyrénées, about 45 miles long and 35 miles wide. Pau, its capital, lies at the center. It formed a considerable portion of the Kingdom of Navarre. Today Pau is included in the Department of Basses Pyrénées.

One of the Trustees of Georgia at its founding, John LaRoche, descended from Peter Crothaire née LaRoche(see also http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/tdgh-nov/nov10.htm) Another descendant, of a later generation, Isaac LaRoche, was born in Savannah. He became a merchant-farmer in Richmond County, Georgia. Records indicate that his father was a soldier in the American Revolution. Isaac's wife, Elizabeth, was the daughter of another "American" soldier from London, who allegedly provisioned his fighting company out of his own pocket after immigrating to the Augusta area.

She was also the granddaughter of Donald MacKay, who as a child first settled at New Inverness (Darien Ga.) in about 1736. Donald's Scottish father was killed or captured at the battle of Moosa (1740) when Donald was only nine. Donald overcame this tragedy and later owned part of St. Simons Island, including possession of Fort Fredricka, after the Spanish were no longer a threat to English holdings in Georgia. The abandoned tabby (shell concrete) buildings at Fredricka were recycled because of a lack of materials at the time, leaving only the base outlines tourists see today.

Hope that gives you a start

LaRoche of Georgia

Beth (View posts)
Posted: 957911036000
Walter thanks for the information that you gave. Would you please e-mail me at olddad8527@aol.com. Do you have an Adriane LaRoche in your research. My husband knows nothing about his Grandfathers Family and would like to get to know some of the family. His mother passed away 3 years ago and he realy has nothing to go on but some pictures and names. Lillie, Oliver, Henry, and Adriane.He grew up in Savannah Georgia, but never knew this side of the family.Any help would be appreciated.
Thanking you in Advance
Beth

LaRoche in Georgia

Beth (View posts)
Posted: 957911661000
Walter thank you for the information. Do you have a Adriane LaRoche in your research? If so he is my husbands Grandfather. He knows nothing on this side of the family. He grew up in Savannah Georgia but was kept away from this side of the family and would like to get to know some of them. Please e-mail me at olddad8527@aol.com
Thanks in advance
Beth

Savannah family

Walter LaRoche (View posts)
Posted: 957935096000
Reply to both your messages: I have all my stuff at home and will look into it. There are several living relatives that he may wish to contact.

A cousin Henry living in New Orleans with his mother and my aunt living in Savannah

Laroche in Georgia

Karine Laroche (View posts)
Posted: 959891015000
would like to find out if the Laroche's in Georgia are related. Father is Hermann Laroche born 1922, grandfather Hiram Laroche born around 1880's. Please contact me at fmcmas4099@aol.com.
thanks,
Karine

Isaac D. LaRoche

Susan (View posts)
Posted: 967718194000
I'm a writer researching a book about certain of Savannah's old houses, among them one built by Isaac D. LaRoche. I know he was married to Georgianna, Josephine, and Maria (in that order) and had a total of 12 children, three of whom died in childhood. I also know he owned a brickyard in Savannah.

In what way (if any) are you related to Isaac?

I. D. LaRoche

W. LaRoche (View posts)
Posted: 967783064000
There are two LaRoche houses in old Savanah -- the one you mention and one called the E.M. LaRoche house (now a duplex) on Tattanal
That house was built by Augustus LaRoche a brother to Issac Drayton LaRoche. These and several others were merchants inm Savannah -- successful until the War between the States.

The brothers descend from Issac LaRoche a merchant from the Augusta Area. This Issac was the son of the first Savannah LaRoche as described below. This Savannah LaRoche family is not directly related to the first South Carolina imigrants (circa 1690).

If you will check the Georgia Charter and the original governing board documents (circa 1732)you will find the mention of two LaRoche names. John was an MP and his brother was a merchant. They had a third brother who was a merchant in Bristol.

Their father was the Minister of the Bed Chamber for George the Prince of Denmark who was Queen Anne's husband. She died childless by him and so the Crown by act of Parliemnt went to the House of Hannover. Lady Churchill was the Lady of the Bed Chamber for Queen Anne.

Peter Crothaire (derivation of de la Croix), a Huguenot of the Bordeaux region (his parents were béarnais, from the region of Béarn near Navarre), changed his last name to LaRoche (upon marriage?), during his service to the husband of Queen Anne. Béarn was a small semi-independent province, immediately north of the Pyrénées, about 45 miles long and 35 miles wide. Pau, its capital, lies at the center. It formed a considerable portion of the Kingdom of Navarre. Today Pau is included in the Department of Basses Pyrénées.

As noted above, one of the Trustees of Georgia at its founding, John LaRoche, descended from Peter Crothaire née LaRoche(see also http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/tdgh-nov/nov10.htm)

Isaac LaRoche, was born in Savannah. He became a merchant-farmer in Richmond County, Georgia. Records indicate that his father was a soldier in the American Revolution.
It was this LaRoche (Issac's father -- who was also named Issac) who was related to the
three English LaRoche's previously mentioned. I believe he was the son of the Bristol merchant, but I can not prove it.

Isaac's wife, Elizabeth, was the daughter of another "American" soldier from London, who allegedly provisioned his fighting company out of his own pocket after immigrating to the Augusta area.

She was also the granddaughter of Donald MacKay, who as a child first settled at New Inverness (Darien Ga.) in about 1736. Donald's Scottish father was killed or captured at the battle of Moosa (1740) when Donald was only nine. Donald overcame this tragedy and later owned part of St. Simons Island, including possession of Fort Fredricka, after the Spanish were no longer a threat to English holdings in Georgia. The abandoned tabby (shell concrete) buildings at Fredricka were recycled because of a lack of materials at the time, leaving only the base outlines tourists see today.

Hope this helps with background, sorry I have nothing on I. D. LaRoche directly

Isaac LaRoche

Posted: 988634338000
Edited: 995586704000
My e-mail address is loganholmes@aol.com

Walter, I have appreciated reading your
postings on the LaRoche family.

My husband descends from Isaac Drayton
LaRoche and his third wife, Marie A. Richards.

You note that Isaac Drayton LaRoche had a
brother, Augustus. I believe Augustus might
also be known as Oliver Augustus.

I am attempting to sort out census information.
Is it possible that Isaac and Augustus also had
brothers named James Archibald and Adrian V.?

I would be grateful for any assistance.

Maggie Kyger Miller


Isaac LaRoche

Walter LaRoche (View posts)
Posted: 988641777000
Adrian Oliver Augustus and James were all brothers.

Page 694 (Volume II) of William Harden's book
"Savannah and South Georgia" (1913) is attached in an e-mail to you. He was
the librarian of the Georgia Historical Society,
and had personal conversation with the Isaac
Drayton LaRoche family -- so this is what the
family thought was true 100 years ago.

What I am sure of today:

My birth and that of my kids, father and Grand father.

5th Generation My Great Grandfather -- Frank Isaac LaRoche
(3/10/1855 - 11/14/1935)
I have been to the grave in Savannah (Laurel Grove Cemetery Lot 697),
my father remembered him (but not well) and we have census records from
1860 -- he was away at shool according to the 1870 census. His
wife was Mary Augusta (Backman)

6th Generation -- from my kids) His father (Oliver Augustus) and mother --
buried in same Cemetary Lot and appear in the
census, and some newspaper articles (e.g. first son was buried
at a young age as he died in a carriage accident -- one of the
daughters was married to someone in Atlanta). His wife was
Eliza M. (Watkins or Wadkins) -- NOTE his brothers and
Oliver were weathly merchants until the civil war.

7th Generation -- Isaac LaRoche (born about 1783 died
9/6/1822) his second wife was Elizabeth S. McKintosh
(Oliver) married 6/15/1809 -- You can read the account
in Harden's page (attached) about the Olivers and McKay -- further
research I did was not able to confirm or refute the info
about Captain Oliver (note Capt Oliver was a merchant)
NOTE Also that Sarah (McCay) was from a merchant family
that made their fortunes in Georgia. This Isaac was reported to
be a wealthy merchant/ farmer in Richmond County, which is
now the county that contains Augusta Georgia.

8th Generation -- Mr. Harden claims Isaac LaRoche
who married Elizabeth (Drummond) was the brother
of John LaRoche -- both of whom came to Georgia
when the Colony was founded in 1733. The Georgia
Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution
has unsubstantiated records that say Isaac fought in
the Revolution and that his father was Thomas. And
Thomas was supposedly one of the first Councilmen
in the City -- but I can find no record. This Issac died
in 1789.

An Issac LaRoche was the jailer for the colony in 1756 and
bought land in 1761. An Isaac LaRoche died in 1768
without a will -- he had some ship builder tools that
were sold for debts -- and there are a few other Isaac's
wandering around the area during this time period, and some more
in England.

The one who bought land appears to have been the one who
died in 1789, because one of Isaac (7th Generation)'s
sons had a house built on this land on Reynold's Square.

Well, as I said, I am clearly convinced down to the
8th generation that I am related to an Issac LaRoche
who died in 1789.

Looking at Burke's Extinct Peerages (1844) and some other records from the
London Huguenot Society, Peter Crothaire and his
parents have been well documented. His parents
comming from near Pau the Capital of Béarn, which
was independant from France until Henry of Navarre
became Henry King of France. Béarn is a small province
tucked up against the pyrennées mountains.

If you go back to Harden's page you'll note that he places
"the brothers" Issac and John with King James (in 1733),
but King James II was dethroned in 1688 during the "Glorious
Revolution" -- He being Catholic and they being Protestant,
and the date being wrong by 45 years -- Mr. Harden's
account is clearly suspect. I better trust Burke's (1844) as being
closer to the sources and being most likely correct.

9th Generation or 10th -- We know that there was a
John LaRoche who was a trustee in 1733 for the Colony.
The Earl of Edgemont in his diary relates that John had a
brother who was a Merchant in Bristol an English seaport.

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/charter.htm -- is the
Internet reference for the Georgia Charter

Trustee records speak of Bristol merchants who were disturbed by
Edgemont's business activities that competed with them.

Historical Manuscripts Commission [U.K.], Manuscripts of the Earl of Egmont.
Diary of the First Earl of Egmont (Viscount Percival) (London: H.M. Stationery Office,
1923),
Vol. II, p. 307 (as found at http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/tdgh-nov/nov10.htm).

Burke's records James as the merchant brother and Henry
as a son of John -- It also notes that Peter had a brother
who also changed his name from Crothaire to LaRoche.
John married an Elizabeth (Gardner) whose father was
named Isaac -- but Burke's shows no son named Isaac (to John)
And where is Thomas in Burke's -- nowhere?? There is a Thomas
LaRoche mentioned as another trustee in the original papers of the
Colony. [I should note that there are a bunch of LaRoches in South Carolina
at this time -- but never do they or any papers mention a close relationship
to the Georgia LaRoches -- indeed it is always the opposite, the SC LaRoche's
disclaim any relationship to those in Georgia] Another aside -- my wife
descends from the SC Huguenots including the LaRoches, Horry, Trapier, Fluery
etc.

Moreover, there are clearly two Johns -- one a member of Parliament
from Bodmin (son of Peter) and a John, esq. who was from Pall Mall, from where
all the trustee correspondence was written (he died at age 93 in 1745
-- from "Musgrave's Obituaries").

My guess is John of Pall Mall was the trustee and was Peter's brother.
Musgrave reports him to be a Gentlemen of the Bed Chamber to Anne's
husband the Prince of Denmark. Peter changed his last name to LaRoche according
to Burke's at the request of this Prince. Thomas might have been
the son of this John of Pall Mall. If that is the case we are not provable
cousins, through Peter's wife. But the Peter - James connection or
a Peter-John-Henry connection is plausible, eventhough Burke's
claims that James had no issue. Henry has been a common name
in the family. John was the "Gentlemen of the Bedchamber" to the Prince.
Peter served the Prince but it is unclear in what capacity.

Peter Crothaire was naturalized March 4, 1697-8 approved
by King William on April 2, 1698 (Remember in England the
year changed in the midst of March back then) -- Born in Nai
in Béarn -- Son of James and Jane from published Huguenot
Society of London Records.

Let me know about your analysis of this information. Thanks for writing
me.

Walter LaRoche
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