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Rpotter21r: /* Who do I key, and where? */

Rpotter21r — Tue, 02 Aug 2011 05:48:44 GMT

Who do I key, and where?

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	A ditto is a reference to the above. It does indicate the same person written again. </div>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 07:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)		A ditto is a reference to the above. It does indicate the same person written again. </div>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 07:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

-	=== Who do I key, and where? ===	+	=== Who do I key, and where? ===

-	Q: I have just come across a new tax roll page format. One column is headed 'Proprietors' and the next is headed 'Agents or Factors'. The second column has a far smaller number of names in it, but the names are of individuals (e.g. James Stewart tobaccanist) rather than companies or solicitors. Do I key the names in the second column as Proprietors or Tenants? Or should I miss them out entirely?	+	Q: I have just come across a new tax roll page format. One column is headed 'Proprietors' and the next is headed 'Agents or Factors'. The second column has a far smaller number of names in it, but the names are of individuals (e.g. James Stewart tobaccanist) rather than companies or solicitors. Do I key the names in the second column as Proprietors or Tenants? Or should I miss them out entirely?

-	<span style="color:red">A: The Official ruling is Agents and Factors should not be keyed. </span> --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 18:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)	+	<span style="color: red">A: The Official ruling is Agents and Factors should not be keyed. </span>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 18:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

-	Q: I see quite a few crossed out records. Should I key the records or skip to the next record?	+	Q: I see quite a few crossed out records. Should I key the records or skip to the next record?

-	<span style="color:red"> A: Enter what you can of the crossed out record. </span>	+	<span style="color: red">A: Enter what you can of the crossed out record. </span>

		+	<br>Q: I've seen a few entries here and there (on newer-style pages) where the Proprietor is given simply as "Heritors". What does that mean, and am I correct that the proprietor name fields should be marked blank in that instance?

-	Q: I've seen a few entries here and there (on newer-style pages) where the Proprietor is given simply as "Heritors". What does that mean, and am I correct that the proprietor name fields should be marked blank in that instance?	+	<span style="color: red">A: A definition is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritor here]. You are right to not count it as a proprietor.</span> --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 06:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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-	<span style="color:red"> A: A definition is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritor here]. You are right to not count it as a proprietor.</span> --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 06:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)	+

	Q: I have a case of "John McKinnon, Farmer, Blairgowrie per David Mitchell, Banker, Blairgowrie" (for a parish page that isn't Blairgowrie), followed by "The Lay Salmon Fisheries Company Ltd, per Harry Robb, Secretary, St. Roberts Bank, Perth". Is the name after "per" always dropped, as is true for the Perth Valuations project?		Q: I have a case of "John McKinnon, Farmer, Blairgowrie per David Mitchell, Banker, Blairgowrie" (for a parish page that isn't Blairgowrie), followed by "The Lay Salmon Fisheries Company Ltd, per Harry Robb, Secretary, St. Roberts Bank, Perth". Is the name after "per" always dropped, as is true for the Perth Valuations project?

-	<span style="color:red">A: Yes, follow the Valuation rules for pages that look very similar to the typeset valuations. </sapn>	+	<span style="color: red">
		+	A: Yes, follow the Valuation rules for pages that look very similar to the typeset valuations. </sapn>

-	Q: Adding a wrinkle to the above question, this is one of those pages with the place name and tax ata on the left page and the proprietor's name on the right page; these names come from a block of small text under the large name "Sir John Stewart Richardson Bar't" and in a different hand; from the text they appear to be proprietors (or, less likely, tenants) of sections of Sir John's land. Who should be keyed as proprietor(s) & who (if anyone) should be keyed as tenants?	+	Q: Adding a wrinkle to the above question, this is one of those pages with the place name and tax ata on the left page and the proprietor's name on the right page; these names come from a block of small text under the large name "Sir John Stewart Richardson Bar't" and in a different hand; from the text they appear to be proprietors (or, less likely, tenants) of sections of Sir John's land. Who should be keyed as proprietor(s) & who (if anyone) should be keyed as tenants?

-	<span style="color:red">A: Without a clear indication that somebody is a tenant (either by column headers, or language), key all names as proprietors. </span>	+	<span style="color: red">A: Without a clear indication that somebody is a tenant (either by column headers, or language), key all names as proprietors. </span>

-	Q: How to Key in Tenant Information. Please advise how I should key in Tenant information that states "Edward Smith formerly John Armstrong". It seems that Edward Smith is the current tenant and John Armstrong was the previous tenant. Do I key in two separate lines? Thank you.	+	Q: How to Key in Tenant Information. Please advise how I should key in Tenant information that states "Edward Smith formerly John Armstrong". It seems that Edward Smith is the current tenant and John Armstrong was the previous tenant. Do I key in two separate lines? Thank you.

		+	<br><span style="color: red">A: Yes, that would be two separate lines. However, on the older records, you will rarely see tenants. It will usually be all proprietors. If there is a tenant, You will see one of several key phrases: "occupied by," "let to," "tenented by", "liferenter", "leased to." These will usually be in the fine print. </span>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 16:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC) <br>

-	~~<span style="color~~:~~red">A: Yes, that would be two separate lines. However, on the older~~ records~~, you will rarely see tenants. It will usually~~ be ~~all proprietors~~. ~~If there~~ is ~~a tenant~~, ~~You will see~~ one ~~of several key phrases:~~ "~~occupied by,~~" "~~let to,~~" "~~tenented by~~", "~~liferenter~~", ~~"leased to." These will usually be in the fine print~~. </span~~> --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 16:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC) <br~~>	+	Q: I am new to indexing these records and want to check what I should be doing with what appear to be company names. For instance is "David Morison and Blair Manufacturer", to be indexed as one record with first name "David Morison and Blair" or two records: first name "David" last name "Blair" and second record last name "Blair". I haven't seen it spelled out what I should do, so thought I would ask.
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Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:23:07 GMT

Handwriting

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	The ampersand is occasionally misrendered as a J or G. The abbreviation C<sup>oy</sup> is short for company and is not a name.		The ampersand is occasionally misrendered as a J or G. The abbreviation C<sup>oy</sup> is short for company and is not a name.

-	Small raised letters in abbreviations have been frequently been dropped from transcriptions. Look out for M<sup>r</sup>, M<sup>rs</sup>, Mess<sup>rs</sup> (plural of Mr), Rev<sup>d</sup>, Alex<sup>r</sup>, And<sup>w</sup>, Cath<sup>ne</sup>, Cha<sup>s</sup>, D<sup>r</sup>, D<sup>d</sup>, D<sup>n</sup>, Don<sup>d</sup>, Dan<sup>l</sup>, Eliz<sup>th</sup>, Jn<sup>o</sup>, Ja<sup>s</sup>, Jo<sup>s</sup>, Marg<sup>t</sup>, Lau<sup>r</sup>, Pat<sup>k</sup>, Pat<sup>r</sup>, Sam<sup>l</sup>, Tho<sup>s</sup>, Will<sup>m</sup> and W<sup>m</sup>.	+	Small raised letters in abbreviations have been frequently been dropped from transcriptions. Look out for M<sup>r</sup>, M<sup>rs</sup>, Mess<sup>rs</sup> (plural of Mr), Rev<sup>d</sup>, Alex<sup>r</sup>, And<sup>w</sup>, Cath<sup>ne</sup>, Cha<sup>s</sup>, D<sup>r</sup>, D<sup>d</sup>, D<sup>n</sup>, Don<sup>d</sup>, Dan<sup>l</sup>, Eliz<sup>th</sup>, Jn<sup>o</sup>, Ja<sup>s</sup>, Jo<sup>s</sup>, Marg<sup>t</sup>, Lau<sup>r</sup>, Pat<sup>k</sup>, Pat<sup>r</sup>, Rich<sup>d</sup>, Rob<sup>t</sup>, Ro<sup>t</sup>, Sam<sup>l</sup>, Tho<sup>s</sup>, Will<sup>m</sup> and W<sup>m</sup>.

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Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:57:18 GMT

Handwriting

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	The long s is yet another source of trouble. When two esses are written together, the first will often be long. It is frequently mistaken for an f, or p. Common Misrenderings are Bifset (Bisset), Burgefs (Burgess), and Mip (Miss). In still older records, the long s may appear singally.		The long s is yet another source of trouble. When two esses are written together, the first will often be long. It is frequently mistaken for an f, or p. Common Misrenderings are Bifset (Bisset), Burgefs (Burgess), and Mip (Miss). In still older records, the long s may appear singally.
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		+	The ampersand is occasionally misrendered as a J or G. The abbreviation C<sup>oy</sup> is short for company and is not a name.
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		+	Small raised letters in abbreviations have been frequently been dropped from transcriptions. Look out for M<sup>r</sup>, M<sup>rs</sup>, Mess<sup>rs</sup> (plural of Mr), Rev<sup>d</sup>, Alex<sup>r</sup>, And<sup>w</sup>, Cath<sup>ne</sup>, Cha<sup>s</sup>, D<sup>r</sup>, D<sup>d</sup>, D<sup>n</sup>, Don<sup>d</sup>, Dan<sup>l</sup>, Eliz<sup>th</sup>, Jn<sup>o</sup>, Ja<sup>s</sup>, Jo<sup>s</sup>, Marg<sup>t</sup>, Lau<sup>r</sup>, Pat<sup>k</sup>, Pat<sup>r</sup>, Sam<sup>l</sup>, Tho<sup>s</sup>, Will<sup>m</sup> and W<sup>m</sup>.

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Paulmd199: /* Dittoing and Duplicates */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:32:23 GMT

Dittoing and Duplicates

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	names as-is, or should we not be keying the same name more than once? Would keying the name every time it appears be considered a keying error? I ask because It's been easier to key every name, every time than to go back and see if the name has already appeared. Sorry, this is long-winded..but I'd rather be sure. Last part of the question; I think this is relevant to the first. Are "Dittos" just a reference to the above; the same person/proprietor written in more than one place? Thanks in advance! appreciate the guidance.		names as-is, or should we not be keying the same name more than once? Would keying the name every time it appears be considered a keying error? I ask because It's been easier to key every name, every time than to go back and see if the name has already appeared. Sorry, this is long-winded..but I'd rather be sure. Last part of the question; I think this is relevant to the first. Are "Dittos" just a reference to the above; the same person/proprietor written in more than one place? Thanks in advance! appreciate the guidance.

-	<~~span~~ style="color:red">A: I'll leave you with a few thoughts on duplicates. The idea is to eliminate redundant lines while still accounting for all unique individuals. So if two people have the same name, but there is something that distinguishes them, you will want not want to eliminate that line. For example John Smith, the baker, is probably a different person from John Smith, the sailor, and John Smith's relict is yet a third person. So you would key 3 John Smiths. This happens frequently on alphabetized lists.	+	<div style="color:red">A: I'll leave you with a few thoughts on duplicates. The idea is to eliminate redundant lines while still accounting for all unique individuals. So if two people have the same name, but there is something that distinguishes them, you will want not want to eliminate that line. For example John Smith, the baker, is probably a different person from John Smith, the sailor, and John Smith's relict is yet a third person. So you would key 3 John Smiths. This happens frequently on alphabetized lists.

	On the other hand, if there are indications that a redundant line really is the same person, you may eliminate the duplicate. Attempting this on long unsorted lists can be onerous, and actually harder to review. So You need not overdo attempting to eliminate every duplicate in the document. It's best to limit the scope to a dozen or so lines.		On the other hand, if there are indications that a redundant line really is the same person, you may eliminate the duplicate. Attempting this on long unsorted lists can be onerous, and actually harder to review. So You need not overdo attempting to eliminate every duplicate in the document. It's best to limit the scope to a dozen or so lines.

-	A ditto is a reference to the above. It does indicate the same person written again. --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 07:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC) ~~</span>~~	+	A ditto is a reference to the above. It does indicate the same person written again. </div>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 07:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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	=== Who do I key, and where? ===		=== Who do I key, and where? ===

Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:56:44 GMT

Handwriting

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	=== Handwriting ===		=== Handwriting ===
-	~~The ligature æ and Æ have been giving people some trouble. The names are Græme and Ædie. You will have to use the international characters dialog to enter these correctly.~~	+	{\|style="float:right"
-	{\|	+	\|[[Image:Graeme.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Mr Patrick Græme (the apostrophe-s doesn't get keyed) ]]
-	\|[[Image:Graeme.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|Mr Patrick Græme (the apostrophe-s doesn't get keyed) ]]	+	\|-
-	\|[[Image:Aedie.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|Andrew Ædie (cooper is his job)]]	+	\|[[Image:Aedie.jpg\|thumb\|none\|400px\|Andrew Ædie (cooper is his job)]]
	\|}		\|}
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		+	The ligature æ and Æ have been giving people some trouble. The names are Græme and Ædie. You will have to use the international characters dialog to enter these correctly. The lower case letters l and t have also been giving people trouble. The t is frequently written without a cross. The way to distinguish l from t in this event is that the t is a straight line, and the l will be looped.
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		+	The long s is yet another source of trouble. When two esses are written together, the first will often be long. It is frequently mistaken for an f, or p. Common Misrenderings are Bifset (Bisset), Burgefs (Burgess), and Mip (Miss). In still older records, the long s may appear singally.

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-	[[Image:Figures.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right]]	+	[[Image:Figures.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|W & J Chalmers d<sup>o</sup>]]
	Q: I would appreciate it if someone could help me with two characters I have started to see on a regular basis. I have studied the sample images here, and the Scottish handwriting samples but have been unable to identify these characters; please see below. Thanks!		Q: I would appreciate it if someone could help me with two characters I have started to see on a regular basis. I have studied the sample images here, and the Scottish handwriting samples but have been unable to identify these characters; please see below. Thanks!

Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:37:37 GMT

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	The ligature æ and Æ have been giving people some trouble. The names are Græme and Ædie. You will have to use the international characters dialog to enter these correctly.		The ligature æ and Æ have been giving people some trouble. The names are Græme and Ædie. You will have to use the international characters dialog to enter these correctly.
	{\|		{\|
-	\|[[Image:Graeme.jpg]]	+	\|[[Image:Graeme.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|Mr Patrick Græme (the apostrophe-s doesn't get keyed) ]]
-	\|[[Image:Aedie.jpg]]	+	\|[[Image:Aedie.jpg\|thumb\|400px\|Andrew Ædie (cooper is his job)]]
	\|}		\|}

Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */ imported q/a

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:29:55 GMT

Handwriting: imported q/a

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	=== Handwriting ===		=== Handwriting ===
		+	The ligature æ and Æ have been giving people some trouble. The names are Græme and Ædie. You will have to use the international characters dialog to enter these correctly.
		+	{\|
		+	\|[[Image:Graeme.jpg]]
		+	\|[[Image:Aedie.jpg]]
		+	\|}

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	[[Image:Figures.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right]]		[[Image:Figures.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right]]
	Q: I would appreciate it if someone could help me with two characters I have started to see on a regular basis. I have studied the sample images here, and the Scottish handwriting samples but have been unable to identify these characters; please see below. Thanks!		Q: I would appreciate it if someone could help me with two characters I have started to see on a regular basis. I have studied the sample images here, and the Scottish handwriting samples but have been unable to identify these characters; please see below. Thanks!

Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:13:16 GMT

Handwriting

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	Q: I would appreciate it if someone could help me with two characters I have started to see on a regular basis. I have studied the sample images here, and the Scottish handwriting samples but have been unable to identify these characters; please see below. Thanks!		Q: I would appreciate it if someone could help me with two characters I have started to see on a regular basis. I have studied the sample images here, and the Scottish handwriting samples but have been unable to identify these characters; please see below. Thanks!

-	~~http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/images/thumb/e/ee/Figures.jpg/800px-Figures.jpg~~

	<span style="color:red">A: That reads "W & J Chalmers d<sup>o</sup>," "d<sup>o</sup>" is a form of ditto. Also of note: I and J are exactly the same character. When given as an initial, go with J; the ratio of J to I names is at least 30:1. </span>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 15:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)		<span style="color:red">A: That reads "W & J Chalmers d<sup>o</sup>," "d<sup>o</sup>" is a form of ditto. Also of note: I and J are exactly the same character. When given as an initial, go with J; the ratio of J to I names is at least 30:1. </span>--[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 15:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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	Q: Do names that would get an -es instead of just an -s for a plural also sometimes get an -es for the possessive?		Q: Do names that would get an -es instead of just an -s for a plural also sometimes get an -es for the possessive?

Paulmd199: /* Misc Unsorted */ Imported q/a from message board.

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:05:30 GMT

Misc Unsorted: Imported q/a from message board.

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		+	[[Image:castlegable.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Castle Gable Eastside]]
		+	Q: Is the attachment a Parish or just part of an area/address? I'm pretty sure its the latter - can anyone help please?
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		+	<div style="color:red">A: Castle Gable seems to be a street in the town of Perth, so just an address.</div>
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	Q: Does anyone have a tip to distinguish the occupation from the surname of an individual?		Q: Does anyone have a tip to distinguish the occupation from the surname of an individual?

Paulmd199: /* Handwriting */

Paulmd199 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 02:56:10 GMT

Handwriting

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	Q: Also, are there really "fferguson" and "ffachney" families in Perth, or is what looks like an initial "ff" really just an odd-looking capital F? (Especially odd because I've seen it both that way and the normal way within a line of each other on the same page.)		Q: Also, are there really "fferguson" and "ffachney" families in Perth, or is what looks like an initial "ff" really just an odd-looking capital F? (Especially odd because I've seen it both that way and the normal way within a line of each other on the same page.)

-	<span style="color:red">A: That's an old style of capital F. You see this in English records too c. 1600-1700s. ~~Its~~ just a single F.</span> --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 02:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)	+	<span style="color:red">A: That's an old style of capital F. You see this in English records too c. 1600-1700s. It's just a single F.</span> --[[User:Paulmd199\|Paulmd199]] 02:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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