Talk:World Archives Project: Dorset, England, Vagrant Passes, 1739-1791

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Q: On the Vagrant Pass form type (though this may also apply to other form types) , if "Dorset the Borough of Shafton otherwise Shaftesbury" is printed at the top, and then in the printed text it says "Vagrants in the parish of ------ in the said Borough" (with the parish name written in, e.g. Saint Peter), can we key the Origin County as Dorset, or should we leave it blank? --Katerimmer 12:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

A: You should fill it in when it says "said." --Paulmd199 19:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Q: The project instructions say to "key all individuals and indicate their relationship to the primary individual..." but there doesn't seem to be any field in which to key the relationship.  What does it mean, please?  --Katerimmer 13:19, 12 January 2012 (UTC) 

A: One line for each person, I suppose. The wording I think has to change, since there's clearly no way to indicate the relationship without repurposing a field. --Paulmd199 19:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

A2 (update): The phrase has been removed form the wiki. Presumably it will shortly disappear from the keying instructions in the tool. --Paulmd199 20:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Q: I have noticed that most of the passes I have seen so far are of the "in order to be conveyed on" variety. For instance the image I have open now is from Shafton/Shaftesbury but has: "City and Liberty of Westminster for conveying to the Parish of Bruem in the County of Somerset" and "apprehended in the Parish of Saint James in the said City". Prior images have had a parish in the City of London as the place of origin of the pass. Since "City of London" is explicitly mentioned in the instructions I keyed it in the Origin County field for those records. My guess is that the same should be done for "City and Liberty of Westminster" and key that into the Origin County field. In both cases I have not keyed Dorset or Shafton/Shaftesbury to any field in the record because it was only a stop on the vagrants journey. I'm pretty confident about ignoring Dorset and Shafton/Shaftesbury but I wanted to check if it is correct to key "City and Liberty of Westminster" (or similar entries) into the Orign County field.

Q: A further question. This image has "Lucy the Wife of John Bawden, and her too Children John aged Five Years and James aged One Year" (Yes "too" is how it is spelled in the original). John Bawden is not a subject of the pass (3 persons are specified in the accounting) so should John Bawden be keyed or not? The instructions say "Create a new record for each individual listed together as families. Do not key names of constables, magistrates, or other individuals who are not listed vagrants/rogues/vagabonds." John Bawden is listed with the family but, since he wasn't actually there, he isn't technically a vagrant, rogue or vagabond.

Q: I'm a bit unclear on what, exactly, is required for the "origin" and "destination" fields. For example, if the vagrant was apprehended in location A, and to be taken to location D, via locations B and C, and I get a document from location B relating to passing the vagrant from B to C, should the "origin" be entered as the origin of the document (location B) or the "origin" of the vagrant, i.e. the place where the vagrant was apprehended (location A)? Similarly, should the destination be recorded as their immediate destination (location C), or their ultimate destination (location D)? Unfortunately the field help gives no help at all on these points, so any guidance here would be very welcome! -- Dms246 03:33, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

A: Origin = A; Destination = D.  --Katerimmer 14:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC) / Thank you! :) -- Dms246 14:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Following on from my earlier question above re "origin" and "destination" fields - does the same apply when keying a transport list? I'm currently keying the names from a beautifully laid out transport list detailing vagrants transported from the House of Correction in Sherborne, with columns detailing where the vagrants were transported to, from Sherborne (see screen shot). However there is no way to know where each vagrant was originally apprehended, and what their ultimate destination is. So... do I mark the "origin" and "destination" fields blank, or, for this type of form, and using the one I'm working on as an example, would I put "Sherborne" as the origin, and where they were transported to from Sherborne as the destination? -- Dms246 19:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

A: That sounds right to me.  --Katerimmer 22:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC) / Thanks Kate. -- Donna (Dms246 11:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC))

Q: When keying the "Reward Form" is the "primary person" the person who was captured, the person who did the capturing (to whom the reward goes) or both?

A: It's the vagrant who was captured.  --Katerimmer 20:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


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